Discussion:
Trailer Loading
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James L
2008-03-20 18:36:31 UTC
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I have found the ARA's advice on towing etc but does anyone have any
information on how best to load a trailer? e.g. what boats where etc -
would be a particularly useful document for Universities!!
Thomas Witt
2008-03-20 22:15:24 UTC
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Post by James L
I have found the ARA's advice on towing etc but does anyone have any
information on how best to load a trailer? e.g. what boats where etc -
would be a particularly useful document for Universities!!
Depends on the Trailer?

Big shells (eights and coxed fours) in the top rack, then load from top
to bottom the bigger boats first. Tie singles to any free space left.
If you have the freedom to do so, aim for a lower balance point.

Alway make shure the boats are clear of the towing vehicle, even in
sharp turns.

If you're the driver, strap all boats down yourself, or at least double
check every single strap. General rule: Juniors are only able to learn
proper fastening after you lost one boat in transit.

Check for maximum allowed overall lenght in all countries on your route.

There is only one critical point in trailer loading: Always use the
maximum allowed towbar load[1]. 90-100kg is a reasonable load if allowed
with your vehicle. More load gives you more stability.


[1] in German it's "Stützlast", I had to look that up.
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Thomas
sully
2008-03-21 08:50:35 UTC
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Post by Thomas Witt
Post by James L
I have found the ARA's advice on towing etc but does anyone have any
information on how best to load a trailer? e.g. what boats where etc -
would be a particularly useful document for Universities!!
Depends on the Trailer?
Big shells (eights and coxed fours) in the top rack, then load from top
to bottom the bigger boats first. Tie singles to any free space left.
If you have the freedom to do so, aim for a lower balance point.
Alway make shure the boats are clear of the towing vehicle, even in
sharp turns.
If you're the driver, strap all boats down yourself, or at least double
check every single strap. General rule: Juniors are only able to learn
proper fastening after you lost one boat in transit.
Check for maximum allowed overall lenght in all countries on your route.
There is only one critical point in trailer loading: Always use the
maximum allowed towbar load[1]. 90-100kg is a reasonable load if allowed
with your vehicle. More load gives you more stability.
[1] in German it's "Stützlast", I had to look that up.
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Thomas
This is pretty good.

I would amend: Have the people loading the boats drape the ties and
straps over or inside the boat and leave them hanging. As driver
tighten them all yourself. You can do this while they are loading.

The hardest part of tieing is the draping and placement.
Mike De Petris
2008-03-21 09:21:41 UTC
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Post by Thomas Witt
Big shells (eights and coxed fours) in the top rack, then load from top
to bottom the bigger boats first. Tie singles to any free space left.
If you have the freedom to do so, aim for a lower balance point.
Isn't this last sentence in contrast with the first?
Of course you place longer boats on top so they can come clear over
the trailing vehicle, but if possible we should try to put heavier
pieces at the bottom.
Robin
2008-03-21 09:41:23 UTC
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Post by Thomas Witt
Big shells (eights and coxed fours) in the top rack, then load from top
It's also worth asking the question - where are you? If in North
America, you may well have a full length trailer within which one-
piece VIIIs can fit intact on something other than the top shelf
whilst still not protruding from the ends - which makes life easier
from the perspective of putting heavier weight lower down and being
easier to lift to than the top shelf. Here in the UK, with our
typical 22 foot 4 shelf De Graaff trailer, and with VIIIs which
section at the mid point, we load our VIII halves on the 2nd and 3rd
shelves - blunt end facing the van, and the pointy ends out the back,
3 or 4 intact fours on the top. The top shelf fours are positioned so
that their overhang at each end is roughly even. Obviously, if your
VIII sections 2/6 or 6/2 you have to put it on top (of a typical UK
trailer).

Bottom shelf is used for sectioned four, or single sculls. No
overhang sticking out at windscreen level. This leaves us with the
central berth on each of three shelves, within which you can fit a
double, two singles, or half a sectioned four. Finally, in real
emergencies, you could sling singles below a shelf when the shell in
the normal position in that space is sufficiently small in section
that the two boats can coexist without interfering with each other.
The VIII overhangs are minimised as much as possible at the rear to
reduce the issues with proximity to other road users, without putting
the section end so close to the van that it would interfere when
reversing. Then the issue of nose weight as raised by the previous
poster - we have tyres which are put at the front of the trailer box
(trestle replacements) - being denser than rigging and blades which
are put in further towards the rear of the box. Whether this is
exactly right is difficult to say, but it seems to work.

Ties - ensure that they are parallel as they run over the shell so
that they can't slip fore / aft and loosen off in transit. Make sure
that there are no knots, twists, or frayed points. If frayed
anywhere, cut the buckle off and cut it into 2 foot pieces (becoming
rigging / seat bunchies for transport) so that someone can't use it in
error. If you have spares, I always try to ensure we have two ties on
the front-most attachment of boats on the top shelf just to make it
less likely that if one comes undone that the front of the boat can go
astray. Avoid hooking around rigger bolts, and finally, ensure that
the strongest / most enthusiastic people in the club don't get the
idea (as with rigger bolts) that "tight" means anything more than
"secure", because you can crush a boat or damage the canvases by
overtightening.
Thomas Witt
2008-03-21 10:08:58 UTC
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Post by Mike De Petris
Isn't this last sentence in contrast with the first?
Of course you place longer boats on top so they can come clear over
the trailing vehicle, but if possible we should try to put heavier
pieces at the bottom.
I never hat such freedom. With our club's trailer[1] there is only one
way for loading. And in most cases, you will automatically get a low
enouch balance because of the tare weight of the trailer itself and the
heavy equipment buried deep inside the trailer.

[1] like this one:
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Robin: I'm in Germay. One-piece eights nearly exceed our maximum overall
length for trailer and towing vehicle.
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Thomas
James.
2008-03-21 12:04:02 UTC
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Post by Thomas Witt
Post by Mike De Petris
Isn't this last sentence in contrast with the first?
Of course you place longer boats on top so they can come clear over
the trailing vehicle, but if possible we should try to put heavier
pieces at the bottom.
I never hat such freedom. With our club's trailer[1] there is only one
way for loading. And in most cases, you will automatically get a low
enouch balance because of the tare weight of the trailer itself and the
heavy equipment buried deep inside the trailer.
<http://www.techau.de/prod/produkte/Ruderbootanhaenger/ruder013kl.jpg>
Robin: I'm in Germay. One-piece eights nearly exceed our maximum overall
length for trailer and towing vehicle.
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Thomas
James L is in the UK.

We load our trailer depending on the towing vehicle. We have the
pretty much standard de Graaf 4 high 3 across trailer (cept you can
get 4 4s on top)

We rent our vehicle, so sometimes we rent an x trail, sometimes a mid-
height transit.

In the xtrail we load long sections of 8 'point' first onto the top
rack
4s to the second
50/50section 8s to the bottom
small sections of 8 to the centre racks
small boats wherever is left, usually 2nd row up.

With that config there is minimal overhang, usually only just over the
extending bar at the back.

Unfortunately doing that with that vehicle eats petrol, and, as we
recently found out, clutches (though thats towing in general).

With the transit we have no choice but to have a huge overhang with:
top rack: 4s
2nd down: Long sections of 8s
3rd down: short sections of 8s
bottom: 50/50 8s
small boats in the middle somewhere,

Weight down, length high is how we end up doing it. One day we will
get a trailer and vehicle that are easier to manage...!
Carl Douglas
2008-03-21 12:11:38 UTC
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Post by Thomas Witt
Post by Mike De Petris
Isn't this last sentence in contrast with the first?
Of course you place longer boats on top so they can come clear over
the trailing vehicle, but if possible we should try to put heavier
pieces at the bottom.
I never hat such freedom. With our club's trailer[1] there is only one
way for loading. And in most cases, you will automatically get a low
enouch balance because of the tare weight of the trailer itself and the
heavy equipment buried deep inside the trailer.
<http://www.techau.de/prod/produkte/Ruderbootanhaenger/ruder013kl.jpg>
Robin: I'm in Germay. One-piece eights nearly exceed our maximum overall
length for trailer and towing vehicle.
Trailers have degrees of instability, so I am surprised no one has
mentioned snaking, where the trailer starts both to pitch & to oscillate
sideways, causing the towing vehicle (call it truck) to wander &, in
extreme cases, the ensemble to jacknife off the road.

Similarly, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the desirability of
fitting one of the simple & cheap anti-snaking or towing-stabiliser
devices. They are easily attached &, while not an absolute cure (what
is?), are a real benefit. Alternatively, follow the recent Dutch policy
- have a trailer with steering front suspensions &, in effect, a wheel
at each corner, which eliminates many of the initiators for snaking.

You need also to think twice about the nose-loading on the trailer, in
conjunction with the amount of weight carried at the rear of the truck.
Steering stability is crucially dependent on always, under all
conditions, maintaining good contact between front wheels and road.

Snaking is a complex process & boat trailers are always at risk of
inducing snaking since they have large rotational moments of inertia
about all 3 axes - roll, pitch & yaw, & since rotation about any of
these axes is not without secondary effect on the other 2 axes.

With your longest boats up top you consciously increase not only the
various MIs but also the forcing effect of cross-winds on rolling
oscillations. Since wind forces will never act steadily, nor centre
over the trailer suspension, cross winds tend to stimulate yawing as
well as roll. And with close-coupled suspension (the most common type
in UK & Europe), the trailer itself has almost no damping against pitching.

Pitching is perhaps the most serious influence of a towed trailer.
Under braking the trailer will nudge the hitch downwards. This nudge,
connects with the truck well astern of the rear axle, so it pushes the
back of the truck down & unloads the front wheels. If there's no
sideways component, everything in perfect line, that'd cause no problem
but such perfection never happens. Tyre grip depends on downward
pressure, & tyres are also flexible, so any side loads at the hitch move
the front of the truck the opposite way, which in turn increases the
side loads at the hitch. The amount of damping provided by the trailer
is minimal & the damping provided by the truck is proportional to the
load on the front wheels, which is inversely proportional to the
transient downforce at the hitch. This is an inherently unstable
situation - the feedback is all wrong. And once the front tyre load is
below that required for adequate grip, you lose effective steering.

Up to a point, dependent on speed, road surface, camber, gradient, wind
effects, trailer loading, truck characteristics & so on, everything
remains under control. But 2 things are waiting to happen. In a rig
with far from ideal characteristics, above a certain speed snaking is
self-inducing - mild at first & seemingly under control (we've all seen
plenty of those), but suddenly vicious under braking or above a critical
speed. And with any undamped rig one really good nudge under braking
when not dead in line, or a lesser nudge when on a curve, can be all it
takes to precipitate a jacknife & twist you off the road.

It is that unfortunate combination of inherent instability & lack of
damping, plus the great flexibility of the ball-hitch, which is so
dangerous. Oscillations often feed on themselves, building in amplitude
& energy, & only if you can physically limit those oscillations or have
a means of continuously extracting energy from them can you keep snaking
under control.

In the USA I've seen tensioned chains used to stiffen the hitch against
pitching - brutal but effective, AFAIK, against nodding under braking.
In the EU we see combined springs & dampers - towing stabilisers - which
combine a strongish leaf spring to do what the N. Americans do with
chains with a friction damper to soak energy out of sideways (yaw)
oscillations. Towing stabilisers really do work (obviously they're
effective only up to a point, not idiot proof). Unfortunately, I see
far too few using anything to increase towing stability, & I hear too
often of trailer crashes.

Finally, if we accept that towing a trailer always carries some degree
of increased hazard, it is to be regretted that clubs often tow with a
minibus full of of rowers. It seems rather obvious that this is not the
best way to maximise the security of your essential human component.

HTH
Carl
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Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
Email: ***@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)
Sarah F
2008-03-21 13:29:58 UTC
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Post by Carl Douglas
Similarly, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the desirability of
fitting one of the simple & cheap anti-snaking or towing-stabiliser
devices. They are easily attached &, while not an absolute cure (what
is?), are a real benefit. Alternatively, follow the recent Dutch policy
- have a trailer with steering front suspensions &, in effect, a wheel
at each corner, which eliminates many of the initiators for snaking.
Tell me about it. I've been caravanning since I was a baby and neither
my parents or my grandfather would ever consider towing without a
stabilising bar. They now have an 'Al-Ko' hitch fitted to the caravan
(when they changed car it wouldn't take the conventional fittings for
a bar stabiliser because of the boot overhang) which are only about
£200.

My college boatclub had a trailer accident about 5 years ago (closed
the M25 for 3 hours). I looked into the stabiliser options for the
club officers at the time, yet no-one saw fit to get a stabiliser for
the replacement trailer. I can't personally tow as I passed my driving
test 9 months after they brought in the extra towing test, but if and
when I finally do get that added to my licence, there's no way I'll
ever tow without a stabiliser.

Rant over.

Sarah
a***@gmail.com
2008-03-21 16:15:56 UTC
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These towing stabilizers or torsion bars or sway bars as they are
sometimes known in the USA, provide two main functions.

One is to take some of the weight off of the rear wheels and spread it
onto the front wheels through the suspension and frame (mostly frame)
of the truck. This more evenly distributes the load and levels out
the truck so the rear end never sags and keeps the front wheels
connected to the road.

The second is that they help to prevent some side-to-side sway by
bracing the trailer at two additional points instead of just the ball
and tongue of the trailer.

I've towed over 8,000 miles with a fully loaded trailer (USA) and
would never, ever tow without sway bars/torsion bars/load stabilizing
bars. They greatly improve handling and control.

-Andrew
Sarah F
2008-03-21 16:39:47 UTC
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Post by a***@gmail.com
These towing stabilizers or torsion bars or sway bars as they are
sometimes known in the USA, provide two main functions.
One is to take some of the weight off of the rear wheels and spread it
onto the front wheels through the suspension and frame (mostly frame)
of the truck. This more evenly distributes the load and levels out
the truck so the rear end never sags and keeps the front wheels
connected to the road.
The second is that they help to prevent some side-to-side sway by
bracing the trailer at two additional points instead of just the ball
and tongue of the trailer.
I've towed over 8,000 miles with a fully loaded trailer (USA) and
would never, ever tow without sway bars/torsion bars/load stabilizing
bars. They greatly improve handling and control.
-Andrew
What I don't understand is why don't the trailer manufacturers sell
their trailers with stabiliser options? It wouldn't cost them anything
extra, surely?

Sarah
JD
2008-03-21 16:43:08 UTC
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Here's the new trailer by Vespoli USA. The central pillar is offset.
All shells can thus be side-loaded. No more threading through the
uprights

http://www.vespoli.com/content/view/313/182/
Thomas Witt
2008-03-21 19:23:50 UTC
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Post by Carl Douglas
Similarly, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the desirability of
fitting one of the simple & cheap anti-snaking or towing-stabiliser
devices. They are easily attached &, while not an absolute cure (what
is?), are a real benefit.
This is standard equipment on all new trailers (at least in Germany)
Post by Carl Douglas
Alternatively, follow the recent Dutch policy
- have a trailer with steering front suspensions &, in effect, a wheel
at each corner, which eliminates many of the initiators for snaking.
Not possible. I don't know what rules apply to the towing vehicles for
such trailers, but they need pneumatic brakes at least. And the driver
needs a "CE" license.
Post by Carl Douglas
You need also to think twice about the nose-loading on the trailer, in
conjunction with the amount of weight carried at the rear of the truck.
Steering stability is crucially dependent on always, under all
conditions, maintaining good contact between front wheels and road.
That's the reason why every car has it's maximum towbar load printed
somewhere in the rear door frames.
Post by Carl Douglas
Snaking is a complex process & boat trailers are always at risk of
inducing snaking since they have large rotational moments of inertia
about all 3 axes - roll, pitch & yaw, & since rotation about any of
these axes is not without secondary effect on the other 2 axes.
It's also a shure sign you're driving to fast. So hit the brakes and
your trailer will get in line again.
mruscoe
2008-03-21 19:29:54 UTC
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Post by Thomas Witt
Post by Carl Douglas
Snaking is a complex process & boat trailers are always at risk of
inducing snaking since they have large rotational moments of inertia
about all 3 axes - roll, pitch & yaw, & since rotation about any of
these axes is not without secondary effect on the other 2 axes.
It's also a shure sign you're driving to fast. So hit the brakes and
your trailer will get in line again.
Isn't hitting the brakes just about the worst thing you can do if the
trailer is snaking?
James.
2008-03-21 19:36:20 UTC
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Post by mruscoe
Post by Thomas Witt
Post by Carl Douglas
Snaking is a complex process & boat trailers are always at risk of
inducing snaking since they have large rotational moments of inertia
about all 3 axes - roll, pitch & yaw, & since rotation about any of
these axes is not without secondary effect on the other 2 axes.
It's also a shure sign you're driving to fast. So hit the brakes and
your trailer will get in line again.
Isn't hitting the brakes just about the worst thing you can do if the
trailer is snaking?
presumably 'hit the brakes' being figurative. Don't brake, just ease
off the speed.
Carl Douglas
2008-03-21 23:50:16 UTC
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Post by James.
Post by mruscoe
Post by Thomas Witt
Post by Carl Douglas
Snaking is a complex process & boat trailers are always at risk of
inducing snaking since they have large rotational moments of inertia
about all 3 axes - roll, pitch & yaw, & since rotation about any of
these axes is not without secondary effect on the other 2 axes.
It's also a shure sign you're driving to fast. So hit the brakes and
your trailer will get in line again.
Isn't hitting the brakes just about the worst thing you can do if the
trailer is snaking?
presumably 'hit the brakes' being figurative. Don't brake, just ease
off the speed.
To apply the brakes when you start snaking is, or can be, the perfect
way to lose the lot. Any deceleration increases the downforce on the
towbar & lightens the front wheel adhesion just when you can least
afford to reduce it. That can turn snaking, in a flash, into severe
oscillation followed inevitably by jacknifing.

To brake even when you think you're in-line can be terminal, & to brake
when you're not in-line is even worse. One way that trailers get
wrecked is for some fool to cut in front of you force you to brake hard
(he's usually left it late to catch a slip-road off the main highway).
You can't choose to brake gently, & you instinctively swerve a tiny bit
to avoid clipping the idiot (it'll do no good to hit him) &, hey
presto!, you're in the shite up to your neck & beyond while the cause of
your accident has disappeared from view.

All trailer rigs are vulnerable to such events, including 45ft
articulated lorries, even though they have the far superior 5th wheel
type of hitch mounted above the tractor's rear wheels. So when you hear
of some lorry overturned, don't rush to blame its driver. He, poor guy,
may just have been killed or maimed by the actions of some moron who
selfishly cut him up

So, as James says, all you can normally do is to just progressively ease
off the accelerator so that the braking is very gentle & the speed falls
very slowly until snaking ceases. But if you find your trailer is prone
to snaking, the only sane thing to do is to park it until the problem is
solved. Trailers full of eights really have careered right across
several lanes of traffic & even across the central reservation of a UK
motorway. Driver & passenger have been killed in at least one UK
trailer accident. Too many boats get mangled each year in trailer
accidents. And, one day, a trailer full of valuable shells is going to
go head-on into a coach-load of schoolkids......... After that we won't
be trailing shells anywhere.

Carl
--
Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
Email: ***@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)
Jonny
2008-03-22 05:52:19 UTC
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Post by Carl Douglas
Post by James.
Post by mruscoe
Post by Thomas Witt
Post by Carl Douglas
Snaking is a complex process & boat trailers are always at risk of
inducing snaking since they have large rotational moments of inertia
about all 3 axes - roll, pitch & yaw, & since rotation about any of
these axes is not without secondary effect on the other 2 axes.
It's also a shure sign you're driving to fast. So hit the brakes and
your trailer will get in line again.
Isn't hitting the brakes just about the worst thing you can do if the
trailer is snaking?
presumably 'hit the brakes' being figurative. Don't brake, just ease
off the speed.
To apply the brakes when you start snaking is, or can be, the perfect
way to lose the lot.  
I've actually found it is easier and more effective to gently
accelerate to 'pull' the trailer straight if it is flapping around out
the back due to wind/road conditions. Once it has stopped swaying it
is safer to slow down or brake.

Another 'gizmo' is powered brakes on the trailer. Two types (clever
with adjustment controller in vehicle cab, or not so clever with just
additional power to trailer) but result is the same. Set the brakes on
the trailer to be just a little bit stronger/earlier than the tow
vehicle - that way the trailer is not pushing the two vehicle when you
hit the brakes, it is trying to slow down faster and is much less
likely to jack-knife. Kit can be expensive and may not suit some
vehicles (best situation is if you own the tow vehicle and you can
wire it up properly (ie semi-permanent).
Robert Treharne Jones
2008-03-22 08:05:37 UTC
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This was the cause when I jack-knifed a trailer returning from a
regatta about 25 years ago - unwittingly I had set the towbar load far
too light and the whole rig started snaking going downhill. The view
in the rear view mirror of the trailer swaying violently from side to
side is not a sight which I wish to see again ..... ever!

Robert
Post by Thomas Witt
There is only one critical point in trailer loading: Always use the
maximum allowed towbar load[1]. 90-100kg is a reasonable load if allowed
with your vehicle. More load gives you more stability.
di@rocktheboat
2008-03-22 13:10:26 UTC
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when we had the World Champs at Eton with events all in the morning
and free afternoons for spectators I suggested that the afternoons be
used for Master Class sessions ... trailer loading, reversing a
trailer, rigging, nutrition, etc - perhaps it's a challenge we can set
for the CDOs in each ARA region (not sure Scotland have paid Coaching
folk). Having said that, the practical knowledge is likely to be with
the Old Fart in the Club (Sully's Boathouse Bitch?). If Uni's
approach a town Club perhaps someone could be persuaded to come share
their experience in return for a reciprocal favour or even a pint!

I actually came on line to look for a message from my Mum to tell me
where the Easter eggs are hidden but she appears to be holding out
until tomorrow .... too cruel!
w***@gmail.com
2008-03-22 07:35:03 UTC
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Post by James L
I have found the ARA's advice on towing etc but does anyone have any
information on how best to load a trailer? e.g. what boats where etc -
would be a particularly useful document for Universities!!
My experience is in Canada. I've pulled various trailers from
Vancouver to San Diego or Montreal and many points in between.
Light "skeleton frame" trailers are prone to being blown over when a
strong side-wind hits. Heavier trailers with thick plywood decking
surrounded by 30 cm high steel framing tend to be more stable, but
also require stronger tow vehicles. Occasionally you'll see
organisations (well-funded organisations) with 5th wheel semi-style
towing . My most recent trip across from Calgary to St Catharines was
done with a Ford F350 with "dual" rear axle - the truck went up the
hills over Lake Superior and only 'lugged' down to 80 km/h, with a
trailer full of 26 boats, blades, riggers, etc.

Biggest thing is to have sufficient weight on the hitch. As Carl
cautions, not enough to lift the weight off the front wheels, but that
would take a pretty big trailer unless you're doing it with a personal
car or a "mini" pickup truck like a Ranger, which isn't suitable for
most North American boat trailers. Returning from San Diego once, we
had a trailer that was hitched to a 2.5 inch ball bolted to the bed of
a big ford pickup truck,with vacuum activated brakes. On the way to
Diego we had no problems, but on the way back we were transporting 2
extra sets of blades which were on the aft end of the trailer. We
went from San-Diego through LA and dropped off a friend in San
Francisco, and then got back to I-5 for the rest of the trip. The
trailer would dance around behind us, and the only way we could
straighten it was to very carefully speed up. When we finally got
back to Vancouver, we unhooked, jacked up the trailer and found we
could actually lift the thing off with one hand - the trailer was just
about perfectly balanced. Since then (that was 1983) I've always made
sure it was very heavy (i.e., two or more required to lift the hitch,
even though we used a jack), and haven't had a trailer dance around
behind the truck since then. We were lucky in 1983 - and it was fun
sometimes. If we had to change lanes to pass someone, and the next
lane over was full and nobody was making space despite signalling, a
little jiggle of the steering wheel would cause the trailer to dance -
traffic would part, we'd do the lane change, and straighten out the
trailer.

If you want your boat tie straps to stay tight for the whole trip soak
them in a bucket of water before you tie them. If it's a long trip
(more than about 800 km, say) put a little spin of insulating tape
around the loose end of the tie strap to reduce the chance of working
loose and flapping around against the finish of your boats. If you
tie them on with dry straps, the first time it rains during your trip,
you'll find yourself re-tieing all the boats. Check every boat about
100 km after departure to see if all the knots are holding, and from
then check every time you fuel up, stop for a meal, or start up in the
morning. Once the trailer is hooked to the tow vehicle, whoever is
driving is responsible for the load, so YOU, if you're driving, have
to make sure nothing (oars, seats, boats, anything) will blow out of
or off the trailer - I sure wouldn't want to have a boat come off a
trailer I'm pulling and go through the windscreen of a vehicle behind,
so I'm kinda anal about that.. So far, the worst damage I've ever done
to a boat while pulling a trailer is about a meter long scratch on the
side of a boat from a stop sign, on one of my first times pulling a
trailer. Touching wood however, I haven't yet had a boat come off any
trailer I've been towing, including a solo trip from Montreal to
Edmonton (4100 km).

How you stack your trailer will depend on its construction and the
number of boats you'll be carrying. Again - more weight forward.

If your boats overhang the tow vehicle, make sure there's enough
clearance to keep the bow of a boat from being mushed on the roof of
the vehicle - that'll take the bow off a boat when you're maneuvering
around some places with small hills or curbs to negotiate.

W
sully
2008-03-22 21:26:28 UTC
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Post by James L
I have found the ARA's advice on towing etc but does anyone have any
information on how best to load a trailer? e.g. what boats where etc -
would be a particularly useful document for Universities!!
snip good stuff.
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If you want your boat tie straps to stay tight for the whole trip soak
them in a bucket of water before you tie them.  If it's a long trip
(more than about 800 km, say) put a little spin of insulating tape
around the loose end of the tie strap to reduce the chance of working
loose and flapping around against the finish of your boats.  If you
tie them on with dry straps, the first time it rains during your trip,
you'll find yourself re-tieing all the boats.  Check every boat about
100 km after departure to see if all the knots are holding, and from
then check every time you fuel up, stop for a meal, or start up in the
I haven't hauled a valuable shell in a long time, but I still believe
in
tying inside, go from structure inside the shell and tie to rack,
then
add ties over the top.

You can tie too tight and damage your hull. More strap at lighter
pressure is better than heavily tightened shell.

All good advice on braking the trailer.

Some more tips for long haul trailering:

Along with checking tie downs at fuel stops:

feel the hubs of your trailer wheels( expecially if your trailer is
equipped w/ brakes).
check air pressure in tires.

Double check ball and hitch, and safety chains.
w***@gmail.com
2008-03-23 03:01:54 UTC
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I haven't hauled a valuable shell in a long time, but I still believe
in
tying inside, go from structure inside the shell and tie to rack,
then
add ties over the top.
You can tie too tight and damage your hull. More strap at lighter
pressure is better than heavily tightened shell.
Modern shells don't have a lot of places that you can tie on the
inside, what with watertight compartments and all, there's just not
that many things you can tie to.

Properly cured carbon fibre/honeycomb/aramid hulls are are quite
strong - and the arch is one of the strongest structures in
engineering. If you tie with the straps limiting sideways movement of
the gunwale on the trailer, you can cinch down quite hard because the
arch formed by the hull supports itself and the straps buttress the
gunwales to provide more strength. If a modern boat is damaged by
tying to the trailer, then either you're doing it wrong, or you need
to talk to the manufacturer about better curing of resins. (One
sculler I used to coach had a boat that was built in the maker's early
days of synthetics, and after every trip, his boat would have new
welts from where the straps made indentations - that's a manufacturing
problem with inadequate hardness in the resins.) Wooden boats, yes,
they can be damaged by tying too hard over the hull, 'speshully' if
they're single-skin, non-fibre reinforced - but if you're transporting
one of those, it ain't likely going for a race, and you'd crate it up
for the museum. (CD boats excepted) Natural varnishes, heaps of wear
from straps over the hull.

Singles are a different kettle of fish - most of the tie-down is done
either at the bow or stern decks, or both - we used to use a rubber-
padded wooden "VEE" board made from 2x4 or 2x3 taped to the trailer,
with the "vee" cut out so that the sides of the boat would be in
contact, and the deck-stringer down the middle would not be in contact
with the frame of the trailer. Or, we'd loop above and below the
decking, and suspend the single between racks. Most of the time we'd
tie the boat down at the knees, or where the rigger bolts on (if it's
a wing), and use a "vee" or slinging for the bow. However - it bears
repeating, most newer boats won't suffer if you're tying them down
quite hard to a trailer. Newer singles with the rounded decking need
to be supported so that the decking isn't crushed to the trailer.

As you remark about checking the chains and hitch - we've recently
witnessed a school's trailer coming apart - the steel bits going from
the main trailer frame to the hitch/jack end of the unit broke off at
the welds joining the frame to the front end. Fortunately the trailer
was parked, still attached to the truck, with a bunch of kids crawling
on it to unload the trailer. A couple of weeks later, said trailer
jackknifed and ended up on its side on the highway from Auckland to
Karapiro - destroying both of the school's Hudson 8+'s and a few other
boats, writing off the trailer, and "shaking and stirring" the driver,
who was otherwise unhurt - although his Ranger wasn't in good shape -
not big enough to pull a rowing trailer.

So - to add to Sully's comments, check that there aren't any apparent
cracks on stressed bits of the trailer. Check that the hitch-ball is
tight and that the hitch is securely attached to the frame of the
vehicle (implies using a vehicle that still has a frame).

Try to avoid bumper - attached towing bars - they break (now, how
would I know that?)

Make sure the chains cross underneath, and don't drag on the pavement
- it's no use to anyone if you use a 3000 km road trip to grind off a
couple of chain links.

When you start up, check your trailer brakes (if you have a brake
controller in the tow vehicle) by putting the vehicle in gear,
starting gently, and manually activating the trailer brake. They
should at the very least slow you down, and ideally bring you to a
reasonably quick stop from about 5 km/h, but common sense needs to be
practiced - ease the brake on, no slamming.

Make sure the signals, running lights, brake lights, and clearance
lights all work - at least once a day on long trips.
Ensure that there's a light on the farthest-back part of the load.
Fluorescent orange fabric flagging taped or tied to the bits and
pieces that stick out behind the trailer, and I used to like to have a
red tie-down strap hanging almost to the ground from a couple of boats
at the rear, also, to suggest to drivers behind that it wasn't
necessarily good to drive up too close.
Carry safety vests for the vehicle crew to aid visibility when
checking the load
carry those little break-down safety triangles in case you do end up
stranded on the side of the road - and place them so they start at
least 100-150 m down the road from you so people have a chance to
react.
Could go on. A good clinic on hauling rowing shells is a good idea -
and people who drive big trucks need special tutorials on pulling
because they're not used to the big overhang and wide swing of the
bows in tight turning. (we once had a truck-driver parent pull boats,
but managed to knock a bow off a boat with a lamp-post because he
forgot that rowing trailers behave differently from semi-trailers).
Gotta go... Cheers
W
Mike Sullivan
2008-03-24 16:32:10 UTC
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I haven't hauled a valuable shell in a long time, but I still believe
in
tying inside, go from structure inside the shell and tie to rack,
then
add ties over the top.
You can tie too tight and damage your hull. More strap at lighter
pressure is better than heavily tightened shell.
Modern shells don't have a lot of places that you can tie on the
inside, what with watertight compartments and all, there's just not
that many things you can tie to.
true, and as I said I haven't been hauling any modern shells
lately.

I've seen wood shells and composites where the straps have
compressed and misshapen the hull on cross country trips, but
I can't speak to anything built in the last 10 years.


snip good stuff.

I bought a 26 ft sailboat years ago from a Sacramento area
engineer. When I arrived at his place with truck to tow it home,
I saw him repacking the bearings on the trailer. I thought: "how
totally cool of this guy to do this". The boat was in great shape,
I got everything hooked up, checked it twice - three.

Was on the freeway, pulled over just to check everything one more
time. Took off again down I-80 with enough confidence to
turn on the radio. I headed north on 5 and was about a mile from
the turnoff to get to Clear Lake and slowed a bit as I pulled up
behind a horse trailer. Movement on my left distracted me and
I looked over and saw a wheel passing me on my left just
after some other cars zipped by.

I thought: "wow, some a**hole lost a wheel".

Then I counted the a**holes who were driving trailers around me
and all I could see was me and the horse trailer.

"hmm that a**hole is me".

I pulled over and sure enough, one of the wheels was missing. Made
note to self: Thank goodness for double axles.

Took me an hour and a half jogging back and forth along the freeway
to find the wheel. I mean, how far could it have gone? Turned
out it took the exit and rolled up the exit about halfway off before
careening down one side and hopping a fence.

When we were leaving, I provided just enough distraction to the
guy who forgot to tighten all the lug nuts on a couple of the wheels.
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carry those little break-down safety triangles in case you do end up
stranded on the side of the road - and place them so they start at
least 100-150 m down the road from you so people have a chance to
react.
Could go on. A good clinic on hauling rowing shells is a good idea -
and people who drive big trucks need special tutorials on pulling
because they're not used to the big overhang and wide swing of the
bows in tight turning. (we once had a truck-driver parent pull boats,
but managed to knock a bow off a boat with a lamp-post because he
forgot that rowing trailers behave differently from semi-trailers).
Most shell damage I've seen is parking lot stuff, or gas station.

Add one more thing: make sure you have side view mirrors where
you can see your trailer wheels.
Jonny
2008-03-25 00:26:46 UTC
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Most shell damage I've seen is parking lot stuff, or gas station.
Add one more thing:   make sure you have side view mirrors where
you can  see your trailer wheels.
I still giggle when I think of the guys from the club just down
boathouse row from ours (Melb, AUS) who cost themselves a few thousand
dollar by clipping a fuel pump at a petrol station with their trailer.
No leaks, but still expensive.

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